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	<title>Comments on: Big Diet and Exercise Study Fails to Find Benefit</title>
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		<title>By: Tony Mach</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1041640</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Mach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 13:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One observation about the &quot;skeptics&quot; community I share with your sentiment:

They have very good instincts in going after the scientific &quot;easy&quot; target: all the alt-med, &quot;integrative&quot; and CAM quacks peddling their unscientific woo (though what the skeptics do is IMHO not very effective in combatting the obvious quack medicine).

But when it comes to the scientific mainstream producing bad (or costly and useless) science (or rather non-science), they are completely lost. They decry the the profits that the alt-med cancer quacks pocket with their useless, dangerous and costly treatments (and the skeptics are right to decry this fraud by the alt-med quacks), but how many billions have been spend on the war on cancer in the last decades, and with what results?

The hole state of affairs of the medical science is depressing, especially considering the gap between potential for research and progress we have in our modern societies, and the results the medical science has produced in the last decades.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One observation about the &#8220;skeptics&#8221; community I share with your sentiment:</p>
<p>They have very good instincts in going after the scientific &#8220;easy&#8221; target: all the alt-med, &#8220;integrative&#8221; and CAM quacks peddling their unscientific woo (though what the skeptics do is IMHO not very effective in combatting the obvious quack medicine).</p>
<p>But when it comes to the scientific mainstream producing bad (or costly and useless) science (or rather non-science), they are completely lost. They decry the the profits that the alt-med cancer quacks pocket with their useless, dangerous and costly treatments (and the skeptics are right to decry this fraud by the alt-med quacks), but how many billions have been spend on the war on cancer in the last decades, and with what results?</p>
<p>The hole state of affairs of the medical science is depressing, especially considering the gap between potential for research and progress we have in our modern societies, and the results the medical science has produced in the last decades.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuck</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1041192</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 15:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bernstein says he&#039;s in excellent health, with no ill effects from a long-term low-carb diet.  In fact, all of his &quot;progressive&quot; diabetic complications regressed after going VLC.

Jimmy Moore videoed Bernstein speaking a few years ago, where he discusses his symptoms and life:

&quot;Dr. Richard Bernstein (Part 1)--Nutrition &amp; Metabolism Society Meeting--May 8, 2010&quot;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VaNJO7KMgg&amp;feature=relmfu

Timely:

&quot;Type 1 Diabetes No Match for Primal Lifestyle!&quot;
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/type-1-diabetes-no-match-for-primal-lifestyle/

This fellow is effectively following Bernstein&#039;s protocol, including the basal/bolus insulin scheme.

Agreed about the Nobel.  Unfortunately, until the medical profession can admit that there approach for treating diabetes is an utter failure, he&#039;ll never get it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernstein says he&#8217;s in excellent health, with no ill effects from a long-term low-carb diet.  In fact, all of his &#8220;progressive&#8221; diabetic complications regressed after going VLC.</p>
<p>Jimmy Moore videoed Bernstein speaking a few years ago, where he discusses his symptoms and life:</p>
<p>&#8220;Dr. Richard Bernstein (Part 1)&#8211;Nutrition &amp; Metabolism Society Meeting&#8211;May 8, 2010&#8243;<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VaNJO7KMgg&#038;feature=relmfu" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VaNJO7KMgg&#038;feature=relmfu</a></p>
<p>Timely:</p>
<p>&#8220;Type 1 Diabetes No Match for Primal Lifestyle!&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.marksdailyapple.com/type-1-diabetes-no-match-for-primal-lifestyle/" rel="nofollow">http://www.marksdailyapple.com/type-1-diabetes-no-match-for-primal-lifestyle/</a></p>
<p>This fellow is effectively following Bernstein&#8217;s protocol, including the basal/bolus insulin scheme.</p>
<p>Agreed about the Nobel.  Unfortunately, until the medical profession can admit that there approach for treating diabetes is an utter failure, he&#8217;ll never get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Evelyn M.</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1040705</link>
		<dc:creator>Evelyn M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slightly OT - I&#039;m surprised you haven&#039;t spoken about and linked to - http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD009009/general-health-checks-for-reducing-illness-and-mortality - as even the NYT has mentioned the results of this meta-analysis (albeit hidden in a small paragraph in Tuesday&#039;s science section, whereas it should have been on page one).  The Cochrane Collaboration is the group that has shown that hormone-replacement therapy was a bad idea, that mammography causes more harm than good, etc., etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly OT &#8211; I&#8217;m surprised you haven&#8217;t spoken about and linked to &#8211; <a href="http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD009009/general-health-checks-for-reducing-illness-and-mortality" rel="nofollow">http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD009009/general-health-checks-for-reducing-illness-and-mortality</a> &#8211; as even the NYT has mentioned the results of this meta-analysis (albeit hidden in a small paragraph in Tuesday&#8217;s science section, whereas it should have been on page one).  The Cochrane Collaboration is the group that has shown that hormone-replacement therapy was a bad idea, that mammography causes more harm than good, etc., etc.</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1040350</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 01:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ms nancy lebovitz:  thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ms nancy lebovitz:  thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Lebovitz</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1040162</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Lebovitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no idea what a good surrogate measure for CV would be. That&#039;s why I raised the question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea what a good surrogate measure for CV would be. That&#8217;s why I raised the question.</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1040108</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@mr tuck:  thank u!! im glad one can reverse it!  i never knew it was possible because i always thought a diabetic had to take insulin. wow!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mr tuck:  thank u!! im glad one can reverse it!  i never knew it was possible because i always thought a diabetic had to take insulin. wow!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tuck</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1040081</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;When it came to the solution, I think Bernstein got it wrong.&quot;

Bernstein&#039;s a 70-something year-old Type 1 diabetic, who has no diabetic side effects (they all went away) and is in apparently perfect health.  That&#039;s not too bad for &quot;wrong&quot;.

I work with a fellow who&#039;s teenage son is also a type 1 diabetic.  After going through the usual BS, they went to see Bernstein.  Now, when they go see their local doctor, the nurses call everyone over because &quot;You never see a Type 1 diabetic with perfect blood sugar control!&quot;

No, you don&#039;t, unless you follow a VLC diet.

My wife and I also reversed our pre-diabetes by going VLC: in my case, after failing with walking, running, mountain biking, going to the gym.  At one point I was working out 12-16 hours a week.  Never lost a pound, stayed prediabetic.

I think Bernstein got the solution perfectly right.

And you&#039;re right that they listened to him about measuring glucose, but they missed the point of the measurement.
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Seth: Bernstein&#039;s work was a huge advance, for which he deserves a Nobel Prize. Has Bernstein suffered any bad effects from extreme carb restriction? I am less sure than you that he is in perfect health. In your case, you tried walking one hour per day, and that failed?&lt;/strong&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When it came to the solution, I think Bernstein got it wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bernstein&#8217;s a 70-something year-old Type 1 diabetic, who has no diabetic side effects (they all went away) and is in apparently perfect health.  That&#8217;s not too bad for &#8220;wrong&#8221;.</p>
<p>I work with a fellow who&#8217;s teenage son is also a type 1 diabetic.  After going through the usual BS, they went to see Bernstein.  Now, when they go see their local doctor, the nurses call everyone over because &#8220;You never see a Type 1 diabetic with perfect blood sugar control!&#8221;</p>
<p>No, you don&#8217;t, unless you follow a VLC diet.</p>
<p>My wife and I also reversed our pre-diabetes by going VLC: in my case, after failing with walking, running, mountain biking, going to the gym.  At one point I was working out 12-16 hours a week.  Never lost a pound, stayed prediabetic.</p>
<p>I think Bernstein got the solution perfectly right.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right that they listened to him about measuring glucose, but they missed the point of the measurement.<br />
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Seth: Bernstein&#8217;s work was a huge advance, for which he deserves a Nobel Prize. Has Bernstein suffered any bad effects from extreme carb restriction? I am less sure than you that he is in perfect health. In your case, you tried walking one hour per day, and that failed?</strong> </p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1039907</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 07:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@nancy lebovitz:  what surrogate measure would u propose?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nancy lebovitz:  what surrogate measure would u propose?</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1039906</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 07:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@alex chernavsky:  ur knowledge of the ill effects of neuroleptic medication is helpful!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@alex chernavsky:  ur knowledge of the ill effects of neuroleptic medication is helpful!!</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1039900</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 07:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@tom:  mr taubes is very tall and gives lots of free talks. i heard him talk at walnut creek, ca.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tom:  mr taubes is very tall and gives lots of free talks. i heard him talk at walnut creek, ca.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrik</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1039854</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 04:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;To learn something, do the cheapest easiest study that will help. &quot;

In the technology space, this is akin to building what we call a Minimum Viable Product.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To learn something, do the cheapest easiest study that will help. &#8221;</p>
<p>In the technology space, this is akin to building what we call a Minimum Viable Product.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Lebovitz</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1039800</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Lebovitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 02:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seth, the hard thing is that insomnia happens frequently, but CV events are rare. I&#039;m not sure how self-experimentation could address them unless you had a really good surrogate measure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth, the hard thing is that insomnia happens frequently, but CV events are rare. I&#8217;m not sure how self-experimentation could address them unless you had a really good surrogate measure.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Chernavsky</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1039772</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Chernavsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark wrote, &quot;the word &#039;data&#039; is plural &quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;It&#039;s time to admit that data has joined agenda, erotica, insignia, opera, and other technically plural Latin and Greek words that have become thoroughly Anglicized as singular nouns, taking singular verbs.  No plural form is necessary, and the old singular form, datum, can be left to the Romans.&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From, &lt;i&gt;Woe Is I: The Grammarphobe&#039;s Guide to Better English in Plain English&lt;/i&gt; by Patricia T. O&#039;Conner.

&lt;strong&gt;Seth: I found 4 times as many Google results for &quot;data is&quot; than &quot;data are&quot;, supporting what you say. Here is a discussion: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/jul/16/data-plural-singular&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark wrote, &#8220;the word &#8216;data&#8217; is plural &#8221;</p>
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&#8220;It&#8217;s time to admit that data has joined agenda, erotica, insignia, opera, and other technically plural Latin and Greek words that have become thoroughly Anglicized as singular nouns, taking singular verbs.  No plural form is necessary, and the old singular form, datum, can be left to the Romans.&#8221;
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<p>From, <i>Woe Is I: The Grammarphobe&#8217;s Guide to Better English in Plain English</i> by Patricia T. O&#8217;Conner.</p>
<p><strong>Seth: I found 4 times as many Google results for &#8220;data is&#8221; than &#8220;data are&#8221;, supporting what you say. Here is a discussion: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/jul/16/data-plural-singular" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/jul/16/data-plural-singular</a></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1039738</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Carbsane goes on the warpath whenever there&#039;s any threat to her beloved carbohydrates. She has so much hatred for Gary Taubes that you&#039;d think he gave her a wedgie in junior high or something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carbsane goes on the warpath whenever there&#8217;s any threat to her beloved carbohydrates. She has so much hatred for Gary Taubes that you&#8217;d think he gave her a wedgie in junior high or something.</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1039701</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 21:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks,aaron]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks,aaron</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1039661</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CarbSane Asylum is doing some posts about this study:

http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2012/10/that-diabetes-study-that-ended-early.html

http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2012/10/more-on-look-ahead.html

In the first link she discusses the possibility that poor compliance to the diet probably had a significant impact on the results:

&quot;Does anyone out there truly believe that if your average 250 lb person complied with a diet of 1500 cal/day for a decade would still weigh nearly as much?  It sounds like this study included a diet phase early on (6 months perhaps?) during which the participants lost weight, and then maintained the losses.  Did they continue the exercise?  These are details I&#039;d like to see when this study is eventually published up.  How many are even following the &quot;rigorous program&quot; to any degree?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CarbSane Asylum is doing some posts about this study:</p>
<p><a href="http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2012/10/that-diabetes-study-that-ended-early.html" rel="nofollow">http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2012/10/that-diabetes-study-that-ended-early.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2012/10/more-on-look-ahead.html" rel="nofollow">http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2012/10/more-on-look-ahead.html</a></p>
<p>In the first link she discusses the possibility that poor compliance to the diet probably had a significant impact on the results:</p>
<p>&#8220;Does anyone out there truly believe that if your average 250 lb person complied with a diet of 1500 cal/day for a decade would still weigh nearly as much?  It sounds like this study included a diet phase early on (6 months perhaps?) during which the participants lost weight, and then maintained the losses.  Did they continue the exercise?  These are details I&#8217;d like to see when this study is eventually published up.  How many are even following the &#8220;rigorous program&#8221; to any degree?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1039616</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks mr jim purdy. great info i didnt know about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks mr jim purdy. great info i didnt know about.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catherine,

Here are two things that you might want to keep in mind when covering future studies:
1) the word &quot;data&quot; is plural (e.g., &quot;the data [are] valid and publishable&quot;);
2) The sentence &quot;The two groups were the same with no statistical difference&quot; is utterly wrong.  It is statistically impossible to show that two groups are the same... &quot;no statistical difference&quot; really only means insufficient evidence to reject the null hypothesis, it provides absolutely NO support for the null hypothesis of no difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine,</p>
<p>Here are two things that you might want to keep in mind when covering future studies:<br />
1) the word &#8220;data&#8221; is plural (e.g., &#8220;the data [are] valid and publishable&#8221;);<br />
2) The sentence &#8220;The two groups were the same with no statistical difference&#8221; is utterly wrong.  It is statistically impossible to show that two groups are the same&#8230; &#8220;no statistical difference&#8221; really only means insufficient evidence to reject the null hypothesis, it provides absolutely NO support for the null hypothesis of no difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul N</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1039595</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catherine,

The press releases said there was no difference in cardiovascular events, they did not, specifically, say &quot;all cause mortality&quot;.

We&#039;ll have to wait for the final report, and hopefully the raw data set, to see what really happened.

BUT, the central hypothesis of the trial was that the diet and fitness intervention, in obese diabetics, would reduce CV events - but, after 11 years, it didn&#039;t.

Even &quot;improvement&quot; in other health markers - weight, treadmill fitness, blood pressure, HDL cholesterol, made absolutely no difference to CV events.  
so will they conclude that the diet does not work, and that many of the markers are not good indicators for CV health?

If it means this paradigm is finally discarded, then the $20m was well spent, it the results are buried, and the ADA diet remains unchanged, then we have a real problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine,</p>
<p>The press releases said there was no difference in cardiovascular events, they did not, specifically, say &#8220;all cause mortality&#8221;.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll have to wait for the final report, and hopefully the raw data set, to see what really happened.</p>
<p>BUT, the central hypothesis of the trial was that the diet and fitness intervention, in obese diabetics, would reduce CV events &#8211; but, after 11 years, it didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Even &#8220;improvement&#8221; in other health markers &#8211; weight, treadmill fitness, blood pressure, HDL cholesterol, made absolutely no difference to CV events.<br />
so will they conclude that the diet does not work, and that many of the markers are not good indicators for CV health?</p>
<p>If it means this paradigm is finally discarded, then the $20m was well spent, it the results are buried, and the ADA diet remains unchanged, then we have a real problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuck</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/23/big-diet-and-exercise-study-fails-to-find-benefit/#comment-1039594</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, here&#039;s the link to go with that quote:

https://www.lookaheadtrial.org/public/LookAHEADProtocol.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, here&#8217;s the link to go with that quote:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.lookaheadtrial.org/public/LookAHEADProtocol.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.lookaheadtrial.org/public/LookAHEADProtocol.pdf</a></p>
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