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	<title>Comments on: How Common is Dishonesty in Medical Research?</title>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/14/how-common-is-research-misconduct-in-medicine/#comment-1039090</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey dearime used to comment everyday. Where u at now babe??  

Doctors are not ur friends!!  We are not ur friends. Seth, stop trying to fight the system and do something more lucrative w ur life. No Nobel prize for people who hurt the prize givers!  Cmon, u should do something more positive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey dearime used to comment everyday. Where u at now babe??  </p>
<p>Doctors are not ur friends!!  We are not ur friends. Seth, stop trying to fight the system and do something more lucrative w ur life. No Nobel prize for people who hurt the prize givers!  Cmon, u should do something more positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Cathode</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/14/how-common-is-research-misconduct-in-medicine/#comment-1036513</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Cathode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 19:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Dishonesty is common in medical research.&quot;  Thankfully, we know that this could not happen with climate change...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dishonesty is common in medical research.&#8221;  Thankfully, we know that this could not happen with climate change&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tuck</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/14/how-common-is-research-misconduct-in-medicine/#comment-1035609</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...to see whether closing a hole in the heart of patients with migraine would cure their migraine. It didn’t.&quot;

That ironic.  As it happens, I have such a hole in my heart: a &quot;patent foramen ovale&quot;.  When it was discovered, I spoke to a colleague of mine, who had the surgery to close it up.  To his suprise, his life-long string of migraines ended, and he&#039;s not had one since.

Turns out there&#039;s two types of patent foramen ovale: the one I have, which operates normally (no blood flow between chambers) and the one he had, which allows blood flow between the chambers, and hence creates micro-clots which can cause micro-strokes, which are thought to be one of the causes of migraines.

I wonder if the failure of this experiment was simply checking the wrong variable?

As to the topic of your quote, I wish it were surprising, but after a few years of research diet and the medical profession, I&#039;ve a: realized that my high esteem for doctors was a matter of faith, not reason, and b: I&#039;ve lost that faith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;to see whether closing a hole in the heart of patients with migraine would cure their migraine. It didn’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>That ironic.  As it happens, I have such a hole in my heart: a &#8220;patent foramen ovale&#8221;.  When it was discovered, I spoke to a colleague of mine, who had the surgery to close it up.  To his suprise, his life-long string of migraines ended, and he&#8217;s not had one since.</p>
<p>Turns out there&#8217;s two types of patent foramen ovale: the one I have, which operates normally (no blood flow between chambers) and the one he had, which allows blood flow between the chambers, and hence creates micro-clots which can cause micro-strokes, which are thought to be one of the causes of migraines.</p>
<p>I wonder if the failure of this experiment was simply checking the wrong variable?</p>
<p>As to the topic of your quote, I wish it were surprising, but after a few years of research diet and the medical profession, I&#8217;ve a: realized that my high esteem for doctors was a matter of faith, not reason, and b: I&#8217;ve lost that faith.</p>
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		<title>By: kxmoore</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/14/how-common-is-research-misconduct-in-medicine/#comment-1035492</link>
		<dc:creator>kxmoore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 06:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[great ted presentation here on suppression of clinical trial publications.  scary stuff. http://blog.ted.com/page/5/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great ted presentation here on suppression of clinical trial publications.  scary stuff. <a href="http://blog.ted.com/page/5/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.ted.com/page/5/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Txomin</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/14/how-common-is-research-misconduct-in-medicine/#comment-1035465</link>
		<dc:creator>Txomin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 03:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also am far from surprised. Dishonesty is ubiquitous in the academic world. I expect nothing different from scientific circles. It is an issue of human nature.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also am far from surprised. Dishonesty is ubiquitous in the academic world. I expect nothing different from scientific circles. It is an issue of human nature.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/14/how-common-is-research-misconduct-in-medicine/#comment-1035456</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 02:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think a relevant question to consider is &quot;how common is dishonesty in every field/endeavor?&quot;  

I think that you provide good evidence about dishonesty in medicine, but do you think it is more common than in other places?  Or perhaps you just think it&#039;s more damaging to lie when it affects physical health directly.

&lt;strong&gt;Seth: I think you can do a lot more damage inside the body (drugs, surgery, medical devices) than outside the body (most goods and services). So dishonesty -- e.g., hiding bad side effects -- is much more damaging.&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a relevant question to consider is &#8220;how common is dishonesty in every field/endeavor?&#8221;  </p>
<p>I think that you provide good evidence about dishonesty in medicine, but do you think it is more common than in other places?  Or perhaps you just think it&#8217;s more damaging to lie when it affects physical health directly.</p>
<p><strong>Seth: I think you can do a lot more damage inside the body (drugs, surgery, medical devices) than outside the body (most goods and services). So dishonesty &#8212; e.g., hiding bad side effects &#8212; is much more damaging.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/14/how-common-is-research-misconduct-in-medicine/#comment-1035365</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Taubes&#039; and Attia&#039;s NuSI can get some honest research done, it&#039;ll be revolutionary for that fact alone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Taubes&#8217; and Attia&#8217;s NuSI can get some honest research done, it&#8217;ll be revolutionary for that fact alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Lebovitz</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/14/how-common-is-research-misconduct-in-medicine/#comment-1035171</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Lebovitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/10/10/science-has-been-a-very-naughty-boy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More about the poor quality of published science&lt;/a&gt;

Publication bias, resistance to replication efforts, fraud. Also, descriptions of efforts to solve the problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/10/10/science-has-been-a-very-naughty-boy/" rel="nofollow">More about the poor quality of published science</a></p>
<p>Publication bias, resistance to replication efforts, fraud. Also, descriptions of efforts to solve the problems.</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/14/how-common-is-research-misconduct-in-medicine/#comment-1035163</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not surprised. Dr Linder emailed me back! He&#039;s the guy Seth wrote about a few days ago.  He emailed me right away]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not surprised. Dr Linder emailed me back! He&#8217;s the guy Seth wrote about a few days ago.  He emailed me right away</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Purdy</title>
		<link>http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/10/14/how-common-is-research-misconduct-in-medicine/#comment-1035150</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Purdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is anybody surprised?
&lt;strong&gt;
Seth: I was surprised that people were promoted to dean and similar posts after being found guilty of research misconduct. I was also surprised that Smith did not give a reference to the Wilmshurst paper in the BMJ mentioned at the end.&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anybody surprised?<br />
<strong><br />
Seth: I was surprised that people were promoted to dean and similar posts after being found guilty of research misconduct. I was also surprised that Smith did not give a reference to the Wilmshurst paper in the BMJ mentioned at the end.</strong></p>
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